In an interview with G. Edward Griffin in 1984, former KGB informant and Soviet journalist Yuri Bezmenov discussed the four stages of “ideological subversion” created by radical Marxists to indoctrinate and weaken nations from within. 

Although he uses his personal experiences to describe details, it is important to note that the system he is referring to is not Russian but rather what he called a “world communist system” or “world communist conspiracy.” And so, if people don’t wake up to what’s happening, “unlike myself,” he said, “you will have nowhere to defect to.”

He was instructed by the KGB to not bother the “political prostitutes” but instead surround himself with large conservative media persons, rich filmmakers, academicians and cynical egocentric people.

“[The leftists] serve purpose only at the stage of destabilisation of a Nation. For example, your leftists in the United States – all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders – they are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilise the nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed anymore.  They know too much … They think that they will come to power.  That will never happen, of course.”

The first stage, Bezmenov said, is demoralization.  This is followed by destabilization, crisis and then normalization which may last indefinitely.  “Normalization is a cynical expression borrowed from Soviet propaganda when the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in 1968 and Comrade [Brezhnev?] said: ‘Now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized’,” Bezmenov explained.

The following is the article titled ‘Former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov exposes the four stages of a Communist takeover of a country in rare 1984 interview’ published by OpIndia on 19 June 2020.  Please note: The video OpIndia used for their article was a 26-minute excerpt from a longer 81-minute interview.  The excerpt begins at timestamp 55:25 of the full interview.  You can watch the full interview HERE.

In an interview with G. Edward Griffin in 1984, former KGB informant Yuri Bezmenov exposed the insidious operations of the Soviet Union and how the Communist apparatus viciously overtakes the conscience of a country.

He began his interview by revealing that people who towed the Soviet foreign policy, in their home country, were elevated to positions of power through media and manipulation of public opinion. However, those who refused to do so were either subjected to character assassination or killed. Bezmenov cited the example of the city of Hue in Vietnam where 1000s of people were executed in one night for being sympathetic to the United States. The city was under siege by a mass political organisation named Viet Cong for about 2 days when the mass killings took place. Even though the Central Intelligence Agency (“CIA”) could never understand how the operation was carried out, Bezmenov pointed out the extensive network of local informants set up by the Soviet Union to execute those who didn’t tow its line.

Recounting his time in India, the KGB informant revealed how he was shocked to discover the list of known pro-soviet journalists in India who were doomed to die. He said that even though those journalists were idealistically leftists, yet the KGB wanted them dead as ‘they knew too much’. Bezmenov emphasised, “Once the useful idiots (leftists), who idealistically believe in the beauty of Soviet socialism or Communism, get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies.”

The former KGB informant reiterated there are no grassroots revolutions but one engineered by a professional, organised group. He revealed that the Awami League party leaders were trained in Moscow, Crimea, and Tashkent. He also added that the Indian Government chose to unsee the movement of thousands of “students” from India to East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). His colleague at the Soviet Consulate in Kolkata had discovered guns and ammunition in his basement in a box titled ‘Printed material’ scheduled for Dhaka University. It indicated the role of the Soviet Union in arming the Mukti Bahini during the war.

The ideal recruits of the KGB

He was instructed by the KGB to not bother the “political prostitutes” but instead surround himself with large conservative media persons, rich filmmakers, academicians, and cynical egocentric people. According to Bezmenov, the potential recruits and reputable people in the eyes of the KGB were narcissistic, greedy, morally devoid individuals who can help destabilize their country of origin. Citing the example of the United States, he stated that the KGB recruited professors and civil rights defenders to subvert and destabilize the country. “When their job is completed, they are not needed anymore. They know too much. Some [recruits] get offended when Marxists-Leninists come to power because they hoped they would come to power. That will never happen. They will be lined up against the wall and shot,” he remarked.